thoughts about the migrant crisis

Why are your guys general feelings about the migrants/refugees coming into europe. Do you think it's great that we're doing the best that we can or that enough is enough.

pls no islamophobia and stuff like that, if you have no valid argument then dont post.

Pretty simple. Your friend gives you a bag of skittles but one of them is poisonous and can kill you. Do you take it or not. The refugees are the skittles and the terrorists(Isis) are the poisonous skittles. Do you let them in with the chance of an Isis member coming in aswell?

fexr said:

Pretty simple. Your friend gives you a bag of skittles but one of them is poisonous and can kill you. Do you take it or not. The refugees are the skittles and the terrorists(Isis) are the poisonous skittles. Do you let them in with the chance of an Isis member coming in aswell?

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doesnt really fit when there are many poisonous skittles within that bag of skittles.

fexr said:

Pretty simple. Your friend gives you a bag of skittles but one of them is poisonous and can kill you. Do you take it or not. The refugees are the skittles and the terrorists(Isis) are the poisonous skittles. Do you let them in with the chance of an Isis member coming in aswell?

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Is your solution to let hundreds of thousands of innocents die then?

For the record, refugees usually end up spending literal years in detention just to verify who they are and that they aren't a threat to the country before they're allowed to pursue citizenship and permanent settlement. If you held onto that bag of skittles until scientists found the poisoned one (assuming that there actually IS a poisoned skittle), then you'd have no problem accepting it.

Of course, I'm speaking from an Australian perspective on handling refugees , as we get a lot of them. I'm not quiet sure how Syrian migrants are being processed into countries such as Germany. I'll look into it.

Don't let them in
Reallocate resources to help them in their own country

Tenebrous said:

Don't let them in
Reallocate resources to help them in their own country

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Actually this could be a good solution, except that a lot of the refugees are coming from war torn countries and so it's tough to ferry supplies in when they'd be in danger from outside threats. They should still let them in, because it's ridiculous that those countries have to be so careful about terrorists. Attacks will still happen, related to refugees or not, and either way, they need help.

fexr said:

Pretty simple. Your friend gives you a bag of skittles but one of them is poisonous and can kill you. Do you take it or not. The refugees are the skittles and the terrorists(Isis) are the poisonous skittles. Do you let them in with the chance of an Isis member coming in aswell?

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I've heard this argument a lot and it has always seemed very strange to me. You just decreased human life to that of a skittle. By treating the situation in this way, you are putting yourself or a group of people above another simply because you happened to be born to your parents. Imagine you had to flee from where you are and the people treated you as if you were the problem. 99.99% of the refugees are trying to live their lives just as you and I are, and by treating them as a bag of skittles you are almost certainly demeaning them to a death toll statistic in the future. I would never wish that fate on anyone.

People tend to ignore or realize this, but refugees are more likely to pay their taxes than Americans, are more likely to be employed, and less likely to be imprisoned. These are hardworking people, both educated and not. Politicians treat them like they are trash, but all they want a good life like the rest of us.

Life is priceless and saving a life is priceless. We have the opportunity to save thousands of lives. Don't fear terrorism, stand up to it. By fearing them it only perpetuates their name and gives them credibility. If you fear that someone will come to harm you, fine, I understand that. Only let in women in children, if that suits you. While this is still selfish and wrong, it is a step in the right direction.

Ask yourself how you would wish to be treated in this situation. Remember, you deserve nothing on this Earth, and most things that have come to you are luck more than anything else. Be Kind. Share. Don't divide, don't separate.

Demon

demonsushi said:

I've heard this argument a lot and it has always seemed very strange to me. You just decreased human life to that of a skittle. By treating the situation in this way, you are putting yourself or a group of people above another simply because you happened to be born to your parents. Imagine you had to flee from where you are and the people treated you as if you were the problem. 99.99% of the refugees are trying to live their lives just as you and I are, and by treating them as a bag of skittles you are almost certainly demeaning them to a death toll statistic in the future. I would never wish that fate on anyone.

People tend to ignore or realize this, but refugees are more likely to pay their taxes than Americans, are more likely to be employed, and less likely to be imprisoned. These are hardworking people, both educated and not. Politicians treat them like they are trash, but all they want a good life like the rest of us.

Life is priceless and saving a life is priceless. We have the opportunity to save thousands of lives. Don't fear terrorism, stand up to it. By fearing them it only perpetuates their name and gives them credibility. If you fear that someone will come to harm you, fine, I understand that. Only let in women in children, if that suits you. While this is still selfish and wrong, it is a step in the right direction.

Ask yourself how you would wish to be treated in this situation. Remember, you deserve nothing on this Earth, and most things that have come to you are luck more than anything else. Be Kind. Share. Don't divide, don't separate.

Demon

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You realize that the people who did the attacks in Paris were "refugees." I don't want that to happen in the US and it will if we allow them to come here. I'm not minimizing anyone's lives to a skittle. It's another way to look at it.

demonsushi said:

I've heard this argument a lot and it has always seemed very strange to me. You just decreased human life to that of a skittle. By treating the situation in this way, you are putting yourself or a group of people above another simply because you happened to be born to your parents. Imagine you had to flee from where you are and the people treated you as if you were the problem. 99.99% of the refugees are trying to live their lives just as you and I are, and by treating them as a bag of skittles you are almost certainly demeaning them to a death toll statistic in the future. I would never wish that fate on anyone.

People tend to ignore or realize this, but refugees are more likely to pay their taxes than Americans, are more likely to be employed, and less likely to be imprisoned. These are hardworking people, both educated and not. Politicians treat them like they are trash, but all they want a good life like the rest of us.

Life is priceless and saving a life is priceless. We have the opportunity to save thousands of lives. Don't fear terrorism, stand up to it. By fearing them it only perpetuates their name and gives them credibility. If you fear that someone will come to harm you, fine, I understand that. Only let in women in children, if that suits you. While this is still selfish and wrong, it is a step in the right direction.

Ask yourself how you would wish to be treated in this situation. Remember, you deserve nothing on this Earth, and most things that have come to you are luck more than anything else. Be Kind. Share. Don't divide, don't separate.

Demon

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those are the same 'refugees' who increased the criminality in all the countries that were brought in Europe. (ie. ever since Sweden brought in refugees, it became the rape capital of Europe, and lets not bring up the mass-rape in Cologne), but yeah lets bring in one good thing that they do lol.

Tenebrous said:

Don't let them in
Reallocate resources to help them in their own country

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They are fleeing because they are in war. A major contributor to this issue is ISIS. That means in order to help them in their own country we need to remove ISIS, which we already are allocating our resources towards doing. It is simply impossible to get rid of ISIS in a timely manner without very harsh conditions for the civilians. This is not like some poor country with a health crisis where you can just send medical aid to help.

ISIS isn't going anywhere without resistance in the form of war. War is dangerous for the refugees which is why they have decided to become refugees. I am not saying that is impossible to give them medical aid, food, and what not but you aren't going to be able to drop them Prot XXXXXXX diamond armor so that they can't get killed. Sorry, while this would be a nice solution, it simply isn't possible.

alienmonster123 said:

those are the same 'refugees' who increased the criminality in all the countries that were brought in Europe. (ie. ever since Sweden brought in refugees, it became the rape capital of Europe, and lets not bring up the mass-rape in Cologne), but yeah lets bring in one good thing that they do lol.

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None of those facts are based in reality. The mass-rape in Cologne was not from refugees but from legally admitted Moroccans and Algerians. Also, most reports from that incident where both not credible and also over embellished. They have not increased crime, they are in fact less likely to commit crime. Sweden has had a rape issue long before the migrant crisis. People seem to want to blame someone, and those "Dark skin southerners" are the perfect scapegoat. It seems that rape in Sweden is actually at large because women are less afraid to speak out about sexual assault, because the culture treats men and women more equally. This is a pattern that can be observed throughout the entire Western World; forward, socialist thinking countries tend to have higher rapes per 100,000 people. The UNODC says that Sweden might even overreport their statistics, while other countries tend to under report.

fexr said:

You realize that the people who did the attacks in Paris were "refugees." I don't want that to happen in the US and it will if we allow them to come here. I'm not minimizing anyone's lives to a skittle. It's another way to look at it.

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The people who did the Belgium attacks were not refugees. I quote the guardian here, and I will provide a link

" all of the known Paris attackers were EU nationals, either French or Belgian, who found it relatively easy to travel back and forth to and within Europe without major problems even when they were registered as terrorism suspects in the Schengen or national databases"

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...er-border-checks-in-response-to-paris-attacks

The people who did this are already in your country. They are from your country. Think about all the shootings that have happened that are not perpetrated by the stereotypical terrorist, but are right wingers like the Planted Parenthood shooter. Why don't you outrage at that? Selective thinking is a huge issue as well as scapegoating. The refugees are not the problem.

I should stop now because I think I might be flaming.

Am I flaming? Sedrazo

arsenalfcgunners said:

They are fleeing because they are in war. A major contributor to this issue is ISIS. That means in order to help them in their own country we need to remove ISIS, which we already are allocating our resources towards doing. It is simply impossible to get rid of ISIS in a timely manner without very harsh conditions for the civilians. This is not like some poor country with a health crisis where you can just send medical aid to help.

ISIS isn't going anywhere without resistance in the form of war. War is dangerous for the refugees which is why they have decided to become refugees. I am not saying that is impossible to give them medical aid, food, and what not but you aren't going to be able to drop them Prot XXXXXXX diamond armor so that they can't get killed. Sorry, while this would be a nice solution, it simply isn't possible.

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They are fleeing because they are in war.
Actually most of the migrants are coming from African countries.



That means in order to help them in their own country we need to remove ISIS, which we already are allocating our resources towards doing.
I concede this point. Currently a large percentage of our total active military forces are being used to combat the Islamic State.



This is not like some poor country with a health crisis where you can just send medical aid to help.
Yes but these people need areas to live. We could go in and set up camps instead of letting them into our countries. Yes, we would have to defend them against ISIS but it's much better than having our society undermined by radical Islamists.



I am not saying that is impossible to give them medical aid, food, and what not but you aren't going to be able to drop them Prot XXXXXXX diamond armor so that they can't get killed. Sorry, while this would be a nice solution, it simply isn't possible.
This is definitely possible. I don't see a single problem with it? Just deploy a large swath of troops and set up camps for people to live in while ISIS is being fought.
Anyways most of the migrants actually come from Africa so ISIS isn't really THAT big of a deal

demonsushi said:

None of those facts are based in reality. The mass-rape in Cologne was not from refugees but from legally admitted Moroccans and Algerians. Also, most reports from that incident where both not credible and also over embellished. They have not increased crime, they are in fact less likely to commit crime. Sweden has had a rape issue long before the migrant crisis. People seem to want to blame someone, and those "Dark skin southerners" are the perfect scapegoat. It seems that rape in Sweden is actually at large because women are less afraid to speak out about sexual assault, because the culture treats men and women more equally. This is a pattern that can be observed throughout the entire Western World; forward, socialist thinking countries tend to have higher rapes per 100,000 people. The UNODC says that Sweden might even overreport their statistics, while other countries tend to under report.

The people who did the Belgium attacks were not refugees. I quote the guardian here, and I will provide a link

" all of the known Paris attackers were EU nationals, either French or Belgian, who found it relatively easy to travel back and forth to and within Europe without major problems even when they were registered as terrorism suspects in the Schengen or national databases"

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...er-border-checks-in-response-to-paris-attacks

The people who did this are already in your country. They are from your country. Think about all the shootings that have happened that are not perpetrated by the stereotypical terrorist, but are right wingers like the Planted Parenthood shooter. Why don't you outrage at that? Selective thinking is a huge issue as well as scapegoating. The refugees are not the problem.

I should stop now because I think I might be flaming.

Am I flaming? Sedrazo

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None of those facts are based in reality. The mass-rape in Cologne was not from refugees but from legally admitted Moroccans and Algerians.
This is the exact point I was trying to making, most of the "migrants" are coming from Africa/Turkey and not Syria/Iraq.



Also, most reports from that incident where both not credible and also over embellished. They have not increased crime, they are in fact less likely to commit crime. Sweden has had a rape issue long before the migrant crisis. People seem to want to blame someone, and those "Dark skin southerners" are the perfect scapegoat.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/02/05/ten-year-old-boy-brutally-raped-by-iraqi-migrant-at-pool-in-vienna/

http://www.vienna.at/hausverbot-fuer-fluechtlinge-in-hallenbad-im-bezirk-korneuburg/

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/15/sex-assault-rapes-at-european-swimming

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/21/yet-another-migrant-on-child-sex-attack-at-a-european-indoor-pool/

http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-belgium-idUKKCN0V30ZI

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/belgium-mayor-seeks-ban-male-refugees-pool-after-incident-10-year-old-girl-1539930

http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFKCN0V30VG

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/15/german-town-bans-male-refugees-from-swimming-pool

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3417166/German-city-bans-migrants-nightclubs-women-report-sexually-assaulted-toilets-slipped-date-rape-drugs-drinks.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/danish-nightclubs-ban-reufgees-using-language-rules-after-sexual-harassment-complaints-a6821566.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3395390/The-Arabic-gang-rape-Taharrush-phenomenon-sees-women-surrounded-groups-men-crowds-sexually-assaulted-spread-Europe.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2724658/Were-not-leaving-Yazidis-refusing-come-mountain-300-women-stolen-ISIS-impregnated-smash-blond-bloodline.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3391075/Why-Germany-t-face-truth-migrant-sex-attacks-SUE-REID-finds-nation-denial-wave-horrific-attacks-reported-Europe.html

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/635359/migrant-sex-attacks-Germany-Dortmund-refugees-Merkel

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3390168/Migrant-rape-fears-spread-Europe-Women-told-not-night-assaults-carried-Sweden-Finland-Germany-Austria-Switzerland-amid-warnings-gangs-ordinating-attacks.html

https://www.intellihub.com/schools-in-germany-order-girls-to-cover-up-to-avoid-being-attacked-by-muslim-refugees/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3249667/Germany-state-SIEGE-Merkel-cheered-opened-floodgates-migrants-gangs-men-roaming-streets-young-German-women-told-cover-mood-s-changing.html

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/09/grade-school-girls-in-germany-ordered-to-cover-up-so-as-not-to-provoke-muslim-refugees/

http://www.thelocal.de/20151230/two-thirds-of-germans-expect-terror-attack-in-2016

Earth hour cancelled due to migrant rape: Swedish town refuses to turn lights off to protect women from attacks
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ghts-protect-women-attacks.html#ixzz45VUCEOYM

Iraqi migrant rapes a 10-year-old boy at a swimming pool in Vienna and tells police it was a 'sexual emergency' because he hadn't had sex in months
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...mergency-hadn-t-sex-months.html#ixzz45VfiIXV3

and there is so much more where that came from...



The refugees are not the problem.
Muslim Europe: the demographic time bomb transforming our continent
The EU is facing an era of vast social change, reports Adrian Michaels, and few politicians are taking notice
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/5994047/Muslim-Europe-the-demographic-time-bomb-transforming-our-continent.html

Soaring asylum numbers force Sweden to cut costs, borrow more
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-sweden-forecast-idUSKCN0SG0I220151022

ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html

NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

Channel Four (2006): 31% of younger British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified compared to 14% of those over 45.
http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/images/publications/living apart together - jan 07.pdf

YNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish family, including the children:
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/04/06/32-of-palestinians-support-infanticide/
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4053251,00.html

16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable".
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/article/detail/1619036/2013/04/22/Zestien-procent-moslimjongens-vindt-terrorisme-aanvaardbaar.dhtml

Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60
http://www.pewresearch.org/files/old-assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_attitudes_towards_terrorism#cite_note-29
http://www.pewresearch.org/files/old-assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=97

Pew Research (2007): Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60

ew Research (2013): Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda. Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban. 13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics-share-concerns-about-extremist-groups/

BBC Radio (2015): 45% of British Muslims agree that clerics preaching violence against the West represent "mainstream Islam".
http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/bbc-radio-4-today-muslim-poll/

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 19% of Muslim-Americans say that violence is justified in order to make Sharia the law in the United States (66% disagree).
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/150612-CSP-Polling-Company-Nationwide-Online-Survey-of-Muslims-Topline-Poll-Data.pdf

The Sun (2015: Following Nov. 2015 attacks in Paris, 1 in 4 young Muslims in Britain (and 1 in 5 overall) said they sympathize with those who fight for ISIS.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6758207/1-in-5-British-Muslims-have-sympathy-for-jihadis-in-poll.html
"Astonishing" two in three British Muslims would NOT give police terror tip-offs

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/65...Muslims-would-NOT-give-police-terror-tip-offs'


Well we obviously have a problem.




The people who did the Belgium attacks were not refugees. I quote the guardian here, and I will provide a link
" all of the known Paris attackers were EU nationals, either French or Belgian, who found it relatively easy to travel back and forth to and within Europe without major problems even when they were registered as terrorism suspects in the Schengen or national databases"
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...er-border-checks-in-response-to-paris-attacks
I can't really tell if you're talking about the Paris attacks or Brussels attacks but anyways... Here's a few sources that disagree with that article - they were nationals, but also Muslim and linked to the Islamic State. the issue is that they're becoming islamically radicalized within their own country. This blatantly illustrates the problem with Islam and how radical strains are not peaceful at all.

Paris attacks:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34832512

Brussels attacks:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35879141
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/24/world/europe/brussels-attack.html?_r=0
http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-suspect-in-brussels-attacks-is-sought-20160323-story.html