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Hackers just don't get it.

GibbyMC

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Look guys, I have recorded and reported countless hackers on the servers, only for them to either not be banned, or come back after their week suspension and keep hacking. Now I know MCgamer has a really good staff team. But their is a point where we have to realize that a little warning wont change a hackers opinion. they don't get it. This is why I suggest permaban for obvious hacking or permaban on second offence of hacks. It would keep the servers far cleaner. The people who hack on minecraft are as low as you will find, and that's not something that I think MCgamer should be letting swim in their pool.
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First off hacking is a perm ban on the second offense, and second off, it really in the long run is only fair if we gave hackers a second chance. The first time is their "warning" so to speak, imagine if for one bank robbery you spend the rest of your life in jail? The first offense might just have been them using mini-map and not knowing it's against the rules. But all in all being fair is what mcgamer is about, the hacker might take the ban to heart and turn it around to become a great member of the community. The staff team tries hard to keep hackers off the servers but we also have to remember that there are human beings behind that steve skin, and that we should be considerate of them to.
 
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Look guys, I have recorded and reported countless hackers on the servers, only for them to either not be banned, or come back after their week suspension and keep hacking. Now I know MCgamer has a really good staff team. But their is a point where we have to realize that a little warning wont change a hackers opinion. they don't get it. This is why I suggest permaban for obvious hacking or permaban on second offence of hacks. It would keep the servers far cleaner. The people who hack on minecraft are as low as you will find, and that's not something that I think MCgamer should be letting swim in their pool.
thanks :)
First off, I'd just like to thank you for taking the time to report hackers and make the MCGamer Network a better community. While the staff team gets tons of abuse reports each day, we take the time to look through and discuss the evidence given to us. If someone is breaking any of the rules, they will get punished appropriately based on which rule(s) they broke and how many times they do it. We don't permanently ban someone for hacking the first time because we want to give players a second chance to prove that they won't do it again. Sure, someone might ignore their offense and go ahead and break the rules again, but others will understand this and learn from their mistakes. You suggested a perm ban for obvious hacks, but aren't all hacks obvious? Isn't that why we ban them? For hacking? You also mentioned that there should be a perm ban on second offense hacks and, this might surprise you, but you do get banned permanently for second offense hacking.

Deleting evidence = PermaBan for innocent person.
This is not true. We tell people to not delete evidence they uploaded because we need evidence incase we want to look over the footage at a later date when, for example, someone wants to see why they got banned or dispute their ban. If someone doesn't want to keep the evidence, why keep even upload it? We let you put it on unlisted so your channel isn't flooded with abuse reports.
 

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Hey there!

To address your first concern- if a hacker is caught using hacks for a second time, they will be permanently banned :)

Permanently banning a hacker on their first offense makes sense in some aspects, but is heavily outweighed by others.

People do learn- there are many people who have been banned for first offense hacking, and have never again hacked. Being completely removed from all MCGamer servers for an entire week is as big of a wake-up call as we can give, and it really does work for some people. Some people may be unaware that a hack is illegal, or maybe just needed an extra push to tell them "maybe this isn't the right thing to do". We give people a second chance to learn from their mistakes, and change their ways. If they continue to hack, they will be permanently removed. They had their opportunity to learn from their mistake, and if they didn't take it, they are permanently removed from the community.

Thing is, permanently banning them right away takes care of them for good, but we could potentially be removing someone from our community forever who may have changed their ways if given the chance.

Hackers are a problem, and always will be until hack clients are able to be blocked, or no longer are updated. The staff team does their absolute best to check the servers, check report abuses, and reply to pokes to take care of any and all hackers that may find their way onto our servers. If they are found to be hacking, they will be banned accordingly, whether it's their first or second offense.

To reiterate one of my earlier points, though hacking is an extremely low thing to do, many people may not initially realize that. Someone may have been influenced by other people, told it was ok to do so, or just not even realized how unfair and wrong what they were doing actually was, which is why a second chance is given. If they can't realize it, and continue to break rules, a permanent ban is enforced, and that person is removed from our network.

You also also tell people not to hack, but what do they do? they hack! Why unban them in a week? Why not also give the same second chance to people who have deleted evidence?
There are a few other offenses which result in an immediate permanent ban.

By removing evidence you have offered for the staff to use against a hacker, or any other rule breaker, you offer that rule break the chance to regain access to our servers. Why? If the evidence is no longer available, the Sr. Staff have no evidence to view and use in deciding whether to pardon, or uphold a ban. If the player posts a ban dispute, the ban will be pardoned for lack of evidence, regardless of whether that person has committed a serious offense.

There are a lot of blurred lines when it comes to this rule because quite frequently evidence is removed by accident, or with no malicious intent, leaving a lot of open area for argument, and different situational punishments.

Despite most cases involving accidental removal of evidence, the accident causes several problems and though situational circumstances can affect whether the permanent ban seems just or not, a permanent ban is out in place in acordance with the rules. By submitting, and reporting evidence you agree to the rules fully knowing thst by deleting it, the possibility for punishments to follow is looming.
 
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Well, Duck explained it much better but in general, we wouldn't want to rob people of the chance to play on MCGamer again because they made a simple mistake. Often, hackers come on to a server just to hack, and they do not return once they are banned. With this in mind, it makes sense to appeal to the people who just made a mistake, and will not hack in the future.
 

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Hey there!

To address your first concern- if a hacker is caught using hacks for a second time, they will be permanently banned :)

Permanently banning a hacker on their first offense makes sense in some aspects, but is heavily outweighed by others.

People do learn- there are many people who have been banned for first offense hacking, and have never again hacked. Being completely removed from all MCGamer servers for an entire week is as big of a wake-up call as we can give, and it really does work for some people. Some people may be unaware that a hack is illegal, or maybe just needed an extra push to tell them "maybe this isn't the right thing to do". We give people a second chance to learn from their mistakes, and change their ways. If they continue to hack, they will be permanently removed. They had their opportunity to learn from their mistake, and if they didn't take it, they are permanently removed from the community.

Thing is, permanently banning them right away takes care of them for good, but we could potentially be removing someone from our community forever who may have changed their ways if given the chance.

Hackers are a problem, and always will be until hack clients are able to be blocked, or no longer are updated. The staff team does their absolute best to check the servers, check report abuses, and reply to pokes to take care of any and all hackers that may find their way onto our servers. If they are found to be hacking, they will be banned accordingly, whether it's their first or second offense.

To reiterate one of my earlier points, though hacking is an extremely low thing to do, many people may not initially realize that. Someone may have been influenced by other people, told it was ok to do so, or just not even realized how unfair and wrong what they were doing actually was, which is why a second chance is given. If they can't realize it, and continue to break rules, a permanent ban is enforced, and that person is removed from our network.


There are a few other offenses which result in an immediate permanent ban.

By removing evidence you have offered for the staff to use against a hacker, or any other rule breaker, you offer that rule break the chance to regain access to our servers. Why? If the evidence is no longer available, the Sr. Staff have no evidence to view and use in deciding whether to pardon, or uphold a ban. If the player posts a ban dispute, the ban will be pardoned for lack of evidence, regardless of whether that person has committed a serious offense.

There are a lot of blurred lines when it comes to this rule because quite frequently evidence is removed by accident, or with no malicious intent, leaving a lot of open area for argument, and different situational punishments.

Despite most cases involving accidental removal of evidence, the accident causes several problems and though situational circumstances can affect whether the permanent ban seems just or not, a permanent ban is out in place in acordance with the rules. By submitting, and reporting evidence you agree to the rules fully knowing thst by deleting it, the possibility for punishments to follow is looming.
Hi duck, you replied to my most recent hacker reoprt and said that this user has been dealt with. He is still not banned. even if it is supposed to be for a week.
 

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Hi duck, you replied to my most recent hacker reoprt and said that this user has been dealt with. He is still not banned. even if it is supposed to be for a week.
We use that reply in order to keep the status of a report confidential. It could create a lot of controversy if we were to disclose our decision on a report, and we would rather keep it private for this reason. Whether the user is banned or not, that is up to our discretion.
 

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Hi duck, you replied to my most recent hacker reoprt and said that this user has been dealt with. He is still not banned. even if it is supposed to be for a week.
The player was dealt with according to the evidence :)

If you still see the players using illegal clients on the servers, feel free to file another report :)
 

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Duck most of what you said makes sense, but you said that people make mistakes because they don't really know about a rule like a hacker who doesn't know he's breaking a rule. What if someone were to accidentally remove a video from the channel because they're cleaning it out for a fresh start for whatever reason and weren't aware they were breaking a rule by doing so? Do they not also deserve a second chance? That's just my opinion.
 

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Duck most of what you said makes sense, but you said that people make mistakes because they don't really know about a rule like a hacker who doesn't know he's breaking a rule. What if someone were to accidentally remove a video from the channel because they're cleaning it out for a fresh start for whatever reason and weren't aware they were breaking a rule by doing so? Do they not also deserve a second chance? That's just my opinion.
I totally agree. This relates to the section of my post where I talked about how situational that can be.

It's a very tricky rule for reasons like that, and I really don't have an exact answer for you.
 

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