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Intensagod

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After reviewing the case, it seems as though you were banned by our Anti-Cheat System. This system is extremely accurate and does not make mistakes when banning someone. The system has been tested against vanilla clients, and it was proven that it cannot be triggered unless someone is using a hacked client. Due to these tests, it is possible to confirm that you were in fact using a hacked client on our network. Because of this, there is no need to provide evidence for the punishment.


Your punishment will be upheld. (That's why my appeal got denied)
 

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We've done that in the past, and we're willing to do that now. And honestly, I'd love to see that sort of extensive false-positive testing in light of all of this, especially since knowing what trips the anti-cheat would help us add in checks to prevent such false positives.

In the interest of testing, I'm actually interested in allowing people to recreate the circumstances of their ban to see if it results in a false positive ban. Not only would that prove potential innocence, but it would also tell us what cases need to be checked for with the anti-cheat. Let me talk it over with the Administration, see what they say.


If Badlion is willing to share that, then we'd love to have it; any community would. Might as well see if we can throw in anticheat in as well, though based on what I've seen their system is far from 100% flawless as they continually claim.

But that being said, this is a classic death penalty dilemma, one that really doesn't have a right answer. The dilemma essentially asks you, "what do you value more: punishing the guilty, or saving the innocent?"
Everyone in this thread is personally invested in the area of a more lax anti-cheat because, as it was stated:

But this mindset would not consider what the players whose friends aren't banned think. If we made our anti-cheat system any less strict than it already is, they won't even think about how great it is that their friends aren't banned; they're going to hate how many hackers there are, and we're back to square one. There are no right or wrong answers, just differences in perspectives and opinions, which is why I won't argue strongly in favor of either a stricter or a weaker anti-cheat.

What I will argue in favor for is more research and understanding so that we can refine our anti-cheat system to prevent such false positives. The stronger XAC/weaker XAC is a false dichotomy of extremes, and the best course of action is instead a smarter XAC. I read in Dev chat today that an edgecase was discovered that could potentially cause false positives (though, before anyone gets their hopes up, it would not affect anyone here based on the description of their case). We need to investigate, research, and report such instances without getting argumentative or political if we all want to get what we want: fewer hackers, fewer false positives.
But from a political side of things, there's no arguing that recent events with specific Youtubers in other networks has had a major impact on peoples' perspectives of public figures and claims of innocence. Those incidents showed us that even influential people claiming innocence can be lying through their teeth, and now anyone claiming innocence now against an anti-cheat system are less likely to be considered trustworthy.
anticheat has had one false positive, it was proven though and they updated it right afterwards
 

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You lot complain too much man, my opinion on this anti cheat is that it's really good and has done a good job on banning all the hackers, well done devs :D
 
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