MCGamer Rule's

[Miner9823]

forget William praise this god guys!!!

Omg Nick! You can't just say that! xD

 

[Harris|DareDevilMan1]

9GAG! YASSSS

9gag isnt even gud man.
Too many butthurts in comm's and so many stolen stuff without credit ;-;

 

[Fihru]

Reading through the comments and responses made in this thread, I also would like to put my insight on it. However, before I do so, I'd like to say that although these suggestions are controversial, and as we may already see, people disagree with it. We mustn't discourage the individual user from making suggestions in the future, simply because someone has confidence in what they had to offer, does not mean we should completely lash out at them and call them names. (Although I watched few episodes and don't know much about it) Even the judges from Dragon's Den don't even do that!

Constructive criticism is essential when it comes to explaining to someone that their suggestion may be flawed. Because relentlessly flaming at them for making a suggestion with a flawed system without actually saying why will only discourage them, and it won't spark up a good discussion! And just calling someone names doesn't make things any better either. :c

Following through to my views on the ideas being offered today, I would firstly like to put my insight on IP banning players for breaking rules. The developers have actually already acknowledged the use of IP banning rule-breakers, and believe me when I say this, a lot of people, including staff members are definitely enthusiastic on actually doing this, because it makes everything a lot easier. However, we do not use this idea of IP banning someone for several reasons. As already mentioned above by other members, IP banning someone would result pretty much everyone in the particular location to be banned. Regardless of whether they broke the rules or not. Furthermore, bypassing a ban, even an IP ban can easily be done through VPN (as mentioned before). Therefore even IP banning someone will unfortunately not be as effective as anticipated, since the supposed rule-breaker may already know what they're doing and can easily go on an alternative account or simply bypass. Adding to the first point, if I can remember... I recall that there may have been one incident (either in MCGamer or somewhere else), that a hacker got IP banned. However, this suspect was discovered to have lived in an apartment complex, along with several other people who also liked playing on that particular server. Which means...? That those people playing, who also did nothing wrong, also got banned. Which led to lots of complications. Hence explains why IP banning can be a risky use of punishment. Unless we can find another use of IP banning, or a way to actually prevent people from bypassing and actually keep them banned, then it would be the best for everyone to stick with what we've got for the time being. And we'll see what comes up until then.

Now carrying on to the suggestion with additionally banning a player for teaming up with a hacker. I have actually previously proposed this suggestion to staff members before. An administrator, Sr. Moderators, and moderators were present at the time (Well... It was Cleansweep. :I) They had pretty much summed up everything I needed to know why they hadn't done this before. As some of us may already know, the server "Hive" ( Not advertising, pls no demote! D: ), already has the rule of "no teaming with hackers". I brought this up because we can tell that communities differ from one another on how their rules, and how the system works. All which are successful in their own unique way. MCGamer does not particularly use this rule because of several reasons such as that the player who is teaming with the hacker may be completely oblivious to the fact that their "friend" is actually hacking in the game. Therefore, if they do come to the point of getting banned, the Sr. Moderators will have to deal an extra amount of unnecessary disputes of people claiming they did not know that their friend hacked, furthermore complicating stories depending on how much the person wants to play. I state that the person can be unaware sometimes (Even though this would be contradicted by stating the hacks would be obvious to see); the hacks people use to play the game may differ. Meaning that hacks are slightly more difficult to spot than others. Therefore showing that the individual who may team with the hacker may not know in the first place due to how fishy and unsure they may be. However, if the hacker did fight for the person, and the teammate knew, we could simply get them for boosting. Only as long as the evidence is sufficient!

Now finally stating my opinions on your final suggestion. Allowing players to *kick* other players who may be suspected of hacking. This is where things got heated up amongst everyone, so here's my water bucket!

Prospecting your suggestion closely, and after reading your elaboration on how you must provide evidence and justification for every kick you make of the suspected hacker, otherwise there will be punishments, I have come to realize that although this sounds promising, it can be detrimental depending on how we use it. I would firstly like to state that the MCGamer community consists of a diverse group of people, with different opinions, views, aspirations, and ideals. Including you and me! There are people from the clan community, who tend to view MCGamer as a ground for competitive playing and to win against other players. There's the general community, who see it as a place to simply have fun and try to make the best out of their experience. There is the community of players who do their best to try and keep things in order, despite the limit of power, as they can only record and report hackers to those who do have power.

Imagine giving this power for the select few people. Yes, you did state that a select few people can have this supposed privilege, and they must undergo interview and similar processes as a moderator would normally do. You have also stated
In contradiction to a user's statement that people may abuse this privilege for clan wars. Which will be something I will be reiterating later on this post. We have MCGamer staff members who, in fact, went through a rigorous application program in which the Sr. Staff and above carefully selected in order to see whether a certain individual was fit for the job or not. Even if we allowed only a select few people to go through an application program similar, if not exactly the same of a moderator's then the applicants would definitely be more capable of applying for mod rather than adding an extra rank which hassles the Sr. Staff even more because they have to review twice the amount of people for specific ranks.

And to reiterate the strongest argument against the proposition, I would like to state that, as said plenty of times before, this privilege will be abused. Justified by what I, and a few other members of the community have already said, your proposition suits perfectly for only a select few type of people, and those people in this community who would definitely use it and justify for it are those who want to make the community a better place, you definitely have good intentions. And I acknowledge that! But what if someone who wanted it for their personal gain got power to kick people? Yes, as you've stated this can be solved by either revoking the rank from this individual, or we could severely punish the player for abusing a privilege for their own personal gain. However, in the end, after the abuse has been dealt with, what has happened, already happened. And there would simply be no changing the past. This will detrimentally affect the views of the staff team, leading to people severely criticizing more staff members for selecting the wrong people to try and help the community. The same applies with staff members who have done terrible things to lead to a bad reputation for both the individual, and the staff team as a whole.

We wouldn't be able to tell for certain on whether or not this individual will use this privilege the right way. Which of course, leads to a further increase of MCGamer becoming an even more toxic place due to abuse of power. At the time being, the staff team itself is already being criticized for many reasons like inefficiency, or corruption. Adding this feature will only further increase the risk of a bad influence from the team as they may view us as bad people for doing the wrong things or choosing the wrong people to try and do the right thing. That is why community members who are willing to help the community even further are better off by applying for moderator, since they have a higher chance to make a positive impact and influence to the community.

But at the same time, there are always bad apples, that's why we revoke the rank from those who abuse the power. Adding something similar to the moderator rank, or even something that gives the individual member a preview of what it is like would be considered redundant, and risky too! D:

But to wrap things up in a nice, big, everything burrito... I just wanna quote one more thing from you:


9GAG! YASSSS

Anywho, If you do have anything else to say, then I'd absolutely love to hear from you. Your propositions are definitely ambitious, and I admire it. But it's best to consider everything before we carry on with this plan, that's how we can develop! :3

Do you know ? I amnot from UK or USA. So i will try to read. Thank you for this opinion.

 

[Miner9823]

Do you know ? I amnot from UK or USA. So i will try to read. Thank you for this opinion.

Hey, it's completely fine that you're not. Neither am I from the US or UK. Don't worry about it! Take as much time as you need, I know it's a lot, so I'm sorry for that. But eventually you'll get there. <3

9gag isnt even gud man.
Too many butthurts in comm's and so many stolen stuff without credit ;-;

Omg, the comment section though. It kiiiinda reminds me of Youtube. But there's definitely gold in the site every once in a while. ;D
EDIT: Even though half the stuff's reposted. :c

 

[Fihru]

You used so many litery word. So i ask you something.

You mean " When we do IP Ban, some normal player can't login." and " Hacker can use VPN".

"However, if the hacker did fight for the person, and the teammate knew, we could simply get them for boosting. Only as long as the evidence is sufficient!"

That one is lie. I reported so many people for hacker teammate. ( Hacker is use bow with sprinting). They denied. I understand. Mods can't do anything. Mods appropriate should behave to rules.

I will read other half. When you replied.

Edit : I think you understand me. What i want to say. And just you respect me for my opinions on MCGamer forum.

 

[Miner9823]

You used so many litery word. So i ask you something.

You mean " When we do IP Ban, some normal player can't login." and " Hacker can use VPN".

"However, if the hacker did fight for the person, and the teammate knew, we could simply get them for boosting. Only as long as the evidence is sufficient!"

That one is lie. I reported so many people for hacker teammate. ( Hacker is use bow with sprinting). They denied. I understand. Mods can't do anything. Mods appropriate should behave to rules.

I will read other half. When you replied.

Upon seeing the contradiction to the second point, I'd like to remind that I did specifically say "Only as long as the evidence is sufficient". Meaning that there needs to be enough evidence of them actually boosting, or the hacker does /kill so his teammate wins. What validates it as sufficient evidence is that you get multiple videos of them doing this, and then perhaps put it in a report abuse. Oooorr.... You could notify a moderator and tell them that these individuals are suspected for boosting, they will then begin an investigation and follow them game by game to see if they really are. Because when it comes to the situation of boosting, the process is inevitably long. But that's okay! Because in the end, the job does get done. c:

And with the first quote you added, if I did confuse you in any way, I do apologize, I'm not really good with saying things the right way. :c
But what I mean is that when a hacker gets IP banned, they could probably live in the same IP as a player who doesn't hack, so the person who doesn't hack also gets banned, which makes it unfair for them, and will also make many more people to dispute bans and causing a lot more stress to the Sr. Mods.

But to round it off, I'd like to respond to this particular sentence:

Mods can't do anything. Mods appropriate should behave to rules.

We CAN do something, that's why we willingly volunteered time of our daily lives to help people as much as we possibly can to have a fun, and enjoyable experience. And we're always willing to do so, the only problem is that some people don't approach us enough to ask us for help, and I usually feel useless myself because of how I see that some people don't have faith in us. Furthermore, if we didn't behave or followed by the rules to begin with, we would be better off without the moderator rank, because a moderator can only have the red name on them because they enforce the rules. <3

 

[Fihru]

We CAN do something, that's why we willingly volunteered time of our daily lives to help people as much as we possibly can to have a fun, and enjoyable experience. And we're always willing to do so, the only problem is that some people don't approach us enough to ask us for help, and I usually feel useless myself because of how I see that some people don't have faith in us. Furthermore, if we didn't behave or followed by the rules to begin with, we would be better off without the moderator rank, because a moderator can only have the red name on them because they enforce the rules. <3

Oh,sorry. I know mods have a lot of job on forum and teamspeak. I mean mod can't do anything on rules. (Change rules/remove rules) I didn't mean you are lazy. I apologize <3

 

[Miner9823]

Oh,sorry. I know mods have a lot of job on forum and teamspeak. I mean mod can't do anything on rules. (Change rules/remove rules) I didn't mean you are lazy. I apologize <3

Oooh, I'm sorry for taking it in the wrong context! D:
But yeah, it's true we cannot do much on the rules either. Moderators are usually there to enforce them, as to prevent bad things from happening. But in the end, the rules page does say that the rules are always bound to change, so who knows! Maybe we might get some sort of rule relating towards prohibiting people to team with hackers or all that. I guess it's up to the Sr. Staff and above to decide, and it's only up to us to wait. :3

I'm glad we had this discussion, and I'm so happy we got to clear things up without causing any flame.

And this following passage is for those who did cause flame...
I completely understand that you may not agree with what had been proposed recently, and that this individual may have wanted to see some sort of change, and that's okay! His ideals may have been different from yours, and that's still okay. However, what was not okay was the fact that because you didn't agree towards what he had said, you had instead begun criticizing his suggestions by saying how "stupid" he, or the suggestion is. Which of course, only causes problems. Some people haven't added proper justification towards their response!

So instead of lashing out at a suggestion in a manner which only breaks the rules instead of saying why you don't agree (like I did), will only result in another unnecessary flame war! So this is my proper, and final warning as a moderator, that trying to criticize someone in a manner in which only breaks the rules will simply not be tolerated. Thank you.

<3

 

[ImTheNarwhal]

The reason we don't currently IP ban as theoretically there could be siblings in a household on the same IP

I can see benefiting from a hacker as something we can punish for. I'll bring it up at our next staff meeting.

A kicker rank doesn't seem beneficial as our moderator position pretty much covers all the stuff that is kick worthy.

Good suggestions by the way c:

 

[HomeGoods]

Along with this "Kicker" rank, the only reason we kick people is REALLY only because 1 of 3 reasons:
Block Glitching
Abuse of a glitch
Initiation (To trigger a ban/mute)

So, there is no reason to have a rank like this because Moderators are qualified for it, it would be heavily abused, and if you see it, all you have to do it report it to a member of Staff and provide evidence if the game is over and/or they're not in-game anymore.

IP Bans: There's no need for IP bans. I don't think they should be added. What if I'm banned for hacking and my brother wants to play? What do I do then? Now my brothers banned from one of his favorite servers just because of me.