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AS Being Shutdown - Thoughts + Suggestions @Devs, Sr. Staff

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gunner4eva

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Okay, In AS we didn't have dedicated boxes nor shared hosting? Just a computer chilling somewhere in Singapore kept wherever CubedHost is?
What if the computer got shut down during Singapore's Earth Hour and the guy in charge of the computer doesn't know how to turn it back on and then we're just sitting here hitting out at MCGamer for shutting down the AS servers while they're trying to get it back up again?

JK, that wouldn't happen.
 

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that is no where near the price we pay as we use https://cubedhost.com/billing/cart.php?gid=23 these servers as they are better there is no way that we can cut down the price. The only way to get AS back it for it to suddenly get like 300 players.
For this part, how would you tell if we get that many people, because AS is shut down. I am a US player but I on the rare occasion play on AS as it is fun, not a lot of hackers, and no lag
 

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In a perfect world, we would be able to support the AS network further. But it is not feasible from a financial standpoint.

It's like asking a store clerk for a $20 game when your wallet is empty and you're already in indebted to him for $30. No matter how much you may beg for the game with claims of how much you loved its demo, the reality is that the game costs $20, and you just can't pay that. The appropriate response is not to claim that the game costs too much or that the store clerk just doesn't care about you or his/her customers (or worse, steal the game); the appropriate response would be to either accept your circumstances and admit you can't buy the game, or work to change your circumstances so that you can afford the game at a later date.

I'm going to admit that I don't know as much about the networking and technical side of this argument as well as the Dave, the Developers, and Chad do, but I trust their knowledge and experience. The AS situation is one that has been thought over for several months, and know that they would have explored the possibility of every option before concluding on this one.

As much as I value the players' opinions on this matter, I would side with the professionals on matters as technically complex as this one. It's not a matter of renting servers from other hosting services (which wouldn't be worthwhile for gameplay purposes, and would create problems as we wouldn't have full server box access to configure for our plug-in), nor is it a matter of buying a micro-sized server (which isn't really possible and definitely not financially efficient). There are a lot of complexities and considerations that people do not realize exist until they've done it, and that goes for a majority of people posting in this thread. But when it comes to the Developers, I know they understand the full picture: they've been doing this time and time again for the last few years.

That's not to say that the loss of the AS community wouldn't be tragic: the fact that this thread even exists shows us that the AS region had a handful of players who were dedicated to it and are thus sad to see it go. It was a region that resembled a small community of a max of 30-50 people, a mere fraction compared to the Australia region's average numbers. However, with all small communities, they were a tight-knit bunch of friends who were quite loyal to the servers that they loved.

I think savva60 's post really summarizes the perspective of the AS players:
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MCSG is a haven for AS players. It's a competitive, close-knit community. It is beloved to us, sacred to us. And you are taking it away for 'economical reasons'.....
Please continue this run of kindness, please bring back AS.
But the reality of the matter is that having dedicated AS servers is not feasible, and thus a shutdown as inevitable. No matter how many friends you may have met, no matter how many games you may have played, no matter how much you love the servers, there's no getting around the fact that such servers cost money and time which must be paid for. And there were not enough Premium Rank upgrades from the AS region to justify the costs on a month-to-month basis. The other regions have a population large enough to have enough regular Premium Ranked members to be sustainable for all, but the AS region was too small to maintain that same dynamic. Unless a section of the AS playerbase suddenly devotes itself to the price of monthly upgrades (something I doubt players would be willing to do), bringing back AS just isn't practical.

We were bleeding to keep AS open for as long as we did, but it came at the cost of attending to the other, more populated regions; the needs of the many come before the needs of the few. It might not be nice nor what anyone wants, but it's the grim reality of the current situation which we must respond to.
 
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So as we can see from Col_StaR response, your only option is to donate. Maybe if it means that much to you, make another thread with the list of people willing to donate, also putting their amount. I'm sure the amount donated could be calculated to time, giving you months depending on the donations :p

problem solved
I don't want to say this but TL?
 

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So as we can see from Col_StaR response, your only option is to donate. Maybe if it means that much to you, make another thread with the list of people willing to donate, also putting their amount. I'm sure the amount donated could be calculated to time, giving you months depending on the donations :p
And even then, I can't guarantee it'll be enough. Servers and such are more costly than you might think, even for a region as small as AS. Not only are we talking a substantial initial sum of money to get the servers started, but then you'd need to have a enough regular income month-to-month for the maintenance of the AS region. If you folks are thinking about a long-term lifespan (i.e. more than 3 months), you're going to need to front some serious capital, more than I believe the average player base of that size would be willing to give.
 

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So I guess there really is no solution :c unless people start forking out big bucks.

Money truly makes the world go round.
 

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Personally, I am on MCGamer's side on this. Sorry, but the Cons out weigh the pros by A LOT.

Here is my 2¢ about this topic.

The removal of the AS Network was clearly thought out and decided upon by the admins. If I am correct, we had 8 servers on the network. From my past server running experience that would've costed about the price of 20-30 US/CA/EU servers, and you guys have 8. For the price of 8 in AS, MCGamer could expand its servers and possibly get ZedChace or MCTF2 servers.
We were bleeding to keep AS open for as long as we did, but it came at the cost of attending to the other, more populated regions; the needs of the many come before the needs of the few. It might not be nice nor what anyone wants, but it's the grim reality of the current situation which we must respond to.
As Col_StaR stated above this, the matter that having friends and a close community wont help anything. The fact is, per month, MCGamer wasn't getting enough donations to keep the server up while running the other 300 someodd servers we have, ontop of that we have keeping the XenForo up (which is 140$ a month I believe). From a financial standpoint it was very unconventional to keep the AS network running, it was too much money.

If you dont want to read the entire thread, read these.
Running 8 as servers is about the price of 20-30 US/CA/EU servers
There were too many servers for the amount of people.
There weren't enough donations for the amount of players.

TL;DR
Its gone, chances are it wont come back.
 

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Personally, I am on MCGamer's side on this. Sorry, but the Cons out weigh the pros by A LOT.

Here is my 2¢ about this topic.

The removal of the AS Network was clearly thought out and decided upon by the admins. If I am correct, we had 8 servers on the network. From my past server running experience that would've costed about the price of 20-30 US/CA/EU servers, and you guys have 8. For the price of 8 in AS, MCGamer could expand its servers and possibly get ZedChace or MCTF2 servers.

As Col_StaR stated above this, the matter that having friends and a close community wont help anything. The fact is, per month, MCGamer wasn't getting enough donations to keep the server up while running the other 300 someodd servers we have, ontop of that we have keeping the XenForo up (which is 140$ a month I believe). From a financial standpoint it was very unconventional to keep the AS network running, it was too much money.

If you dont want to read the entire thread, read these.
Running 8 as servers is about the price of 20-30 US/CA/EU servers
There were too many servers for the amount of people.
There weren't enough donations for the amount of players.

TL;DR
Its gone, chances are it wont come back.
XenForo costs yearly for support updates, not monthly.

As we've said already, one AS box (which could hold the 4-8 servers + hub, etc) cost around as much as 3 US boxes - for reference, we usually put 28 US servers per box, so that means that one AS server with 4 MCSG servers cost as much as 84 US MCSG servers.
 

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XenForo costs yearly for support updates, not monthly.

As we've said already, one AS box (which could hold the 4-8 servers + hub, etc) cost around as much as 3 US boxes - for reference, we usually put 28 US servers per box, so that means that one AS server with 4 MCSG servers cost as much as 84 US MCSG servers.
Ah, thanks for clearing that up.

QA;TL?
 

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also cuting down US or EU is not and is never going to be an option as those servers are needed and to get rid of one of our servers there we will loose 25 servers not just 1 and as those servers are full for like 12 hours a day that is not going to happen.
I've joined US servers, and even during peak times there are rarely servers that are not empty. During non-peak times there are usually 20+ servers that are completely empty.
 

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I've joined US servers, and even during peak times there are rarely servers that are not empty. During non-peak times there are usually 20+ servers that are completely empty.
Prime Time on weekends there is none empty. Also the fact that Hive has opened there US server and some left to try it out. We just wait till that balances out again (Hive is full of bad players) and most MCSG people like a challenge.
 
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