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The God Debate v2

Do you believe in God?

  • Yes

    Votes: 58 49.2%
  • No

    Votes: 60 50.8%

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Considering god told them to write this stuff down I don't see a problem considering god is perfect
Which books
 

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Enlightened by god
If you have not seen the truth already then you will never open your eyes. You are brainwashed to believe this garbage. Im done debating with you. You ignore everything I say and bring nothing of value to this debate. Go ahead and believe in an imaginary man in the sky. You are ignorant and delusional. Im done with you. Have fun living a lie. You just won't admit you are wrong.
 

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Considering god told them to write this stuff down I don't see a problem considering god is perfect
I'm so done, you didn't even solve the problem I presented. Why pick on this book more than others because this is the one of the most blatantly fake?
 

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If you have not seen the truth already then you will never open your eyes. You are brainwashed to believe this garbage. Im done debating with you. You ignore everything I say and bring nothing of value to this debate. Go ahead and believe in an imaginary man in the sky. You are ignorant and delusional. Im done with you. Have fun living a lie. You just won't admit you are wrong.
That's because I'm not wrong I'm pretty sure I disproved your points so me believing makes a lot more sense then wouldn't it
 

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Here are your books! :D
I copied it directly just for you! :D
Adidam[edit]
  • The writings of Franklin Albert Jones a.k.a. Adi Da Love-Ananda Samraj
    • Aletheon
    • The Companions of the True Dawn Horse
    • The Dawn Horse Testament
    • Gnosticon
    • The Heart of the Adi Dam Revelation
    • Not-Two IS Peace
    • Pneumaton
    • Transcendental Realism
Aetherius Society[edit]
  • Contacts with the Gods from Space
Ásatrú[edit]
Atenism[edit]
Ayyavazhi[edit]
Aztec religion[edit]
Bahá'í Faith[edit]
Main article: Bahá'í literature
Books by Bahá'u'lláh

Bön[edit]
Buddhism[edit]

Ancient style of scripture used for the Pāli Canon
See also: Buddhist texts
Theravada Buddhism
East Asian Mahayana

The Chinese Diamond Sutra, the oldest known dated printed book in the world, printed in the 9th year of Xiantong Era of the Tang Dynasty, or 868 CE. British Library.
Tibetan Buddhism
Cheondoism[edit]
  • The Donghak Scripture
  • The Songs of Yongdam
  • The Sermons of Master Haeweol
  • The Sermons of Revered Teacher Euiam[9]
Christianity[edit]
Further information: Biblical canon, Christian biblical canons and Books of the Bible

Christian Bible, 1407 handwritten copy
Traditional Christendom

The Bible (left) and Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures (right) serve as the pastor of the Christian Science church.
Christian Scientists
Gnosticism
Cerdonianism and Marcionism

Cover page of The Book of Mormonfrom an original 1830 edition, byJoseph Smith, Jr.
(Image from the U.S. Library of Congress Rare Book and Special Collections Division.)
Jehovah's Witnesses
Latter Day Saint movement
Further information: Standard Works and Biblical canon § Latter Day Saint canons
Native American Church (Christian-leaning factions)
See below.
Rastafari movement
See below.
Seventh-day Adventists
Swedenborgianism
See below.
Unification Church
See below.
Confucianism[edit]
Discordianism[edit]
Druidism[edit]
Druze[edit]
Ancient Egyptian religion[edit]

Pyramid texts from Teti I's pyramid.
Old Kingdom
First Intermediate Period and Middle Kingdom
Second Intermediate Period
Etruscan religion[edit]

The Cippus of Perugia, 3rd or 2nd century BCE
Ancient Greece[edit]
Hermeticism[edit]
Hinduism[edit]
Main article: Hindu texts
Śruti

The Bhagavad Gita is Lord Krishna's counsel to Arjuna on the battlefield of the Kurukshetra.
Smriti
In Purva Mimamsa
In Vedanta (Uttar Mimamsa)
In Yoga
In Samkhya
  • Samkhya Sutras of Kapila
In Nyaya
In Vaisheshika
  • Vaisheshika Sutras of Kanada
In Vaishnavism
  • Vaikhanasa Samhitas
  • Pancaratra Samhitas
In Saktism
In Kashmir Saivism
In Pashupata Shaivism
  • Pashupata Sutras of Lakulish
  • Panchartha-bhashya of Kaundinya (a commentary on the Pashupata Sutras)
  • Ganakarika
  • Ratnatika of Bhasarvajna
In Shaiva Siddhanta
  • 28 Saiva Agamas
  • Tirumurai (canon of 12 works)
  • Meykandar Shastras (canon of 14 works)
In Gaudiya Vaishnavism
Krishna-karnamrita
In Lingayatism
In Kabir Panth
In Dadu Panth
Islam[edit]

11th Century North African Qur'an in the British Museum
Main article: Islamic holy books
  • The Quran (also referred to as Kuran, Koran, Qur’ān, Coran or al-Qur’ān) – Four books considered to be revealed and mentioned by name in the Qur'an are the Quran (revealed to Muhammad), Tawrat (revealed toMoses), the Zabur (revealed to David) and the Injil (Gospel) (revealed to Jesus).
  • Hadith, reports of the deeds and sayings of Muhammad.
Jainism[edit]
Main article: Jain Agamas
Svetambara
  • 11 Angas
    • Secondary
      • 12 Upangas, 4 Mula-sutras, 6 Cheda-sutras, 2 Culika-sutras, 10 Prakirnakas
Digambara
Nonsectarian/Nonspecific
  • Jina Vijaya
  • Tattvartha Sutra
  • GandhaHasti Mahabhashya (authoritative and oldest commentary on the Tattvartha Sutra)
Judaism[edit]

A Sefer Torah opened for liturgical use in a synagogue service
Rabbinic Judaism
See also: Rabbinic literature
Kabbalism
Karaite Judaism
Beta Israel
Mandaeanism[edit]
  • The Ginza Rba
  • Book of the Zodiac
  • Qolusta, Canonical Prayerbook
  • Book of John the Baptizer
  • Diwan Abatur, Purgatories
  • 1012 Questions
  • Coronation of Shislam Rba
  • Baptism of Hibil Ziwa
  • Haran Gawaita
Manichaeism[edit]
  • The Evangelion (Greek: Εὐαγγέλιον, meaning roughly "good news"). Also known as the Gospel of Mani and The Living Gospel
  • the Treasure of Life
  • the Pragmateia (Greek: πραγματεία)
  • the Book of Mysteries
  • The Book of Giants
  • the Epistles
  • the Psalms and Prayers. A Coptic Manichaean Psalter, discovered in Egypt in the early 1900s, was edited and published by Charles Allberry from Manichaean manuscripts in the Chester Beatty collection and in the Berlin Academy, 1938–9.
  • The Shabuhragan
  • The Arzhang
  • The Kephalaia (Greek: Κεφάλαια), "Discourses", found in Coptic translation.
Maya religion[edit]
Meher Baba[edit]
Native American Church[edit]
  • The Bible (among Christian-leaning factions only)
New Age religions[edit]
Various New Age religions may regard any of the following texts as inspired:

Orphism[edit]
Raëlism[edit]
Rastafari movement[edit]
Ravidassia[edit]

Amritbani Satguru Ravidass Ji Ki-Holy Book of Ravidassia Religion
Samaritanism[edit]
See also: Samaritans § Religious texts
Satanism[edit]
Science of Mind[edit]
Scientology[edit]
Shinto[edit]
Sikhism[edit]

Illuminated Guru Granth folio withMul Mantar(basic religion mantra) with signature of Guru Gobind Singh.
Main article: Sikh scriptures
Spiritism[edit]
Sumerian[edit]
Swedenborgianism[edit]
The New Church
The General Church
Taoism[edit]
Tenrikyo[edit]
Thelema[edit]
Unarius Academy of Science[edit]
  • The Voice of Venus
Unification Church[edit]
Urantianism[edit]
Wicca[edit]
Yârsân[edit]
Yazidi[edit]
Yorùbá[edit]
Zoroastrianism[edit]

Yasna 28.1 (Bodleian MS J2)
  • Primary religious texts, that is, the Avesta collection:
    • The Yasna, the primary liturgical collection, includes the Gathas.
    • The Visperad, a collection of supplements to the Yasna.
    • The Yashts, hymns in honor of the divinities.
    • The Vendidad, describes the various forms of evil spirits and ways to confound them.
    • shorter texts and prayers, the Yashts the five Nyaishes ("worship, praise"), the Sirozeh and the Afringans (blessings).
  • There are some 60 secondary religious texts, none of which are considered scripture. The most important of these are:
    • The Denkard (middle Persian, 'Acts of Religion'),
    • The Bundahishn, (middle Persian, 'Primordial Creation')
    • The Menog-i Khrad, (middle Persian, 'Spirit of Wisdom')
    • The Arda Viraf Namak (middle Persian, 'The Book of Arda Viraf')
    • The Sad-dar (modern Persian, 'Hundred Doors', or 'Hundred Chapters')
    • The Rivayats, 15th-18th century correspondence on religious issues
  • For general use by the laity:
    • The Zend (lit. commentaries), various commentaries on and translations of the Avesta.
    • The Khordeh Avesta, Zoroastrian prayer book for lay people from the Avesta.
 

Tenebrous

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That's because I'm not wrong I'm pretty sure I disproved your points so me believing makes a lot more sense then wouldn't it
Elucidate how believing in a sky fairy makes more sense then testable scientific/mathematics models?
 

boboy1999

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That's because I'm not wrong I'm pretty sure I disproved your points so me believing makes a lot more sense then wouldn't it
Here are your books! :D
I copied it directly just for you! :D
Adidam[edit]
  • The writings of Franklin Albert Jones a.k.a. Adi Da Love-Ananda Samraj
    • Aletheon
    • The Companions of the True Dawn Horse
    • The Dawn Horse Testament
    • Gnosticon
    • The Heart of the Adi Dam Revelation
    • Not-Two IS Peace
    • Pneumaton
    • Transcendental Realism
Aetherius Society[edit]
  • Contacts with the Gods from Space
Ásatrú[edit]
Atenism[edit]
Ayyavazhi[edit]
Aztec religion[edit]
Bahá'í Faith[edit]
Main article: Bahá'í literature
Books by Bahá'u'lláh

Bön[edit]
Buddhism[edit]

Ancient style of scripture used for the Pāli Canon
See also: Buddhist texts
Theravada Buddhism
East Asian Mahayana

The Chinese Diamond Sutra, the oldest known dated printed book in the world, printed in the 9th year of Xiantong Era of the Tang Dynasty, or 868 CE. British Library.
Tibetan Buddhism
Cheondoism[edit]
  • The Donghak Scripture
  • The Songs of Yongdam
  • The Sermons of Master Haeweol
  • The Sermons of Revered Teacher Euiam[9]
Christianity[edit]
Further information: Biblical canon, Christian biblical canons and Books of the Bible

Christian Bible, 1407 handwritten copy
Traditional Christendom

The Bible (left) and Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures (right) serve as the pastor of the Christian Science church.
Christian Scientists
Gnosticism
Cerdonianism and Marcionism

Cover page of The Book of Mormonfrom an original 1830 edition, byJoseph Smith, Jr.
(Image from the U.S. Library of Congress Rare Book and Special Collections Division.)
Jehovah's Witnesses
Latter Day Saint movement
Further information: Standard Works and Biblical canon § Latter Day Saint canons
Native American Church (Christian-leaning factions)
See below.
Rastafari movement
See below.
Seventh-day Adventists
Swedenborgianism
See below.
Unification Church
See below.
Confucianism[edit]
Discordianism[edit]
Druidism[edit]
Druze[edit]
Ancient Egyptian religion[edit]

Pyramid texts from Teti I's pyramid.
Old Kingdom
First Intermediate Period and Middle Kingdom
Second Intermediate Period
Etruscan religion[edit]

The Cippus of Perugia, 3rd or 2nd century BCE
Ancient Greece[edit]
Hermeticism[edit]
Hinduism[edit]
Main article: Hindu texts
Śruti

The Bhagavad Gita is Lord Krishna's counsel to Arjuna on the battlefield of the Kurukshetra.
Smriti
In Purva Mimamsa
In Vedanta (Uttar Mimamsa)
In Yoga
In Samkhya
  • Samkhya Sutras of Kapila
In Nyaya
In Vaisheshika
  • Vaisheshika Sutras of Kanada
In Vaishnavism
  • Vaikhanasa Samhitas
  • Pancaratra Samhitas
In Saktism
In Kashmir Saivism
In Pashupata Shaivism
  • Pashupata Sutras of Lakulish
  • Panchartha-bhashya of Kaundinya (a commentary on the Pashupata Sutras)
  • Ganakarika
  • Ratnatika of Bhasarvajna
In Shaiva Siddhanta
  • 28 Saiva Agamas
  • Tirumurai (canon of 12 works)
  • Meykandar Shastras (canon of 14 works)
In Gaudiya Vaishnavism
Krishna-karnamrita
In Lingayatism
In Kabir Panth
In Dadu Panth
Islam[edit]

11th Century North African Qur'an in the British Museum
Main article: Islamic holy books
  • The Quran (also referred to as Kuran, Koran, Qur’ān, Coran or al-Qur’ān) – Four books considered to be revealed and mentioned by name in the Qur'an are the Quran (revealed to Muhammad), Tawrat (revealed toMoses), the Zabur (revealed to David) and the Injil (Gospel) (revealed to Jesus).
  • Hadith, reports of the deeds and sayings of Muhammad.
Jainism[edit]
Main article: Jain Agamas
Svetambara
  • 11 Angas
    • Secondary
      • 12 Upangas, 4 Mula-sutras, 6 Cheda-sutras, 2 Culika-sutras, 10 Prakirnakas
Digambara
Nonsectarian/Nonspecific
  • Jina Vijaya
  • Tattvartha Sutra
  • GandhaHasti Mahabhashya (authoritative and oldest commentary on the Tattvartha Sutra)
Judaism[edit]

A Sefer Torah opened for liturgical use in a synagogue service
Rabbinic Judaism
See also: Rabbinic literature
Kabbalism
Karaite Judaism
Beta Israel
Mandaeanism[edit]
  • The Ginza Rba
  • Book of the Zodiac
  • Qolusta, Canonical Prayerbook
  • Book of John the Baptizer
  • Diwan Abatur, Purgatories
  • 1012 Questions
  • Coronation of Shislam Rba
  • Baptism of Hibil Ziwa
  • Haran Gawaita
Manichaeism[edit]
  • The Evangelion (Greek: Εὐαγγέλιον, meaning roughly "good news"). Also known as the Gospel of Mani and The Living Gospel
  • the Treasure of Life
  • the Pragmateia (Greek: πραγματεία)
  • the Book of Mysteries
  • The Book of Giants
  • the Epistles
  • the Psalms and Prayers. A Coptic Manichaean Psalter, discovered in Egypt in the early 1900s, was edited and published by Charles Allberry from Manichaean manuscripts in the Chester Beatty collection and in the Berlin Academy, 1938–9.
  • The Shabuhragan
  • The Arzhang
  • The Kephalaia (Greek: Κεφάλαια), "Discourses", found in Coptic translation.
Maya religion[edit]
Meher Baba[edit]
Native American Church[edit]
  • The Bible (among Christian-leaning factions only)
New Age religions[edit]
Various New Age religions may regard any of the following texts as inspired:

Orphism[edit]
Raëlism[edit]
Rastafari movement[edit]
Ravidassia[edit]

Amritbani Satguru Ravidass Ji Ki-Holy Book of Ravidassia Religion
Samaritanism[edit]
See also: Samaritans § Religious texts
Satanism[edit]
Science of Mind[edit]
Scientology[edit]
Shinto[edit]
Sikhism[edit]

Illuminated Guru Granth folio withMul Mantar(basic religion mantra) with signature of Guru Gobind Singh.
Main article: Sikh scriptures
Spiritism[edit]
Sumerian[edit]
Swedenborgianism[edit]
The New Church
The General Church
Taoism[edit]
Tenrikyo[edit]
Thelema[edit]
Unarius Academy of Science[edit]
  • The Voice of Venus
Unification Church[edit]
Urantianism[edit]
Wicca[edit]
Yârsân[edit]
Yazidi[edit]
Yorùbá[edit]
Zoroastrianism[edit]

Yasna 28.1 (Bodleian MS J2)
  • Primary religious texts, that is, the Avesta collection:
    • The Yasna, the primary liturgical collection, includes the Gathas.
    • The Visperad, a collection of supplements to the Yasna.
    • The Yashts, hymns in honor of the divinities.
    • The Vendidad, describes the various forms of evil spirits and ways to confound them.
    • shorter texts and prayers, the Yashts the five Nyaishes ("worship, praise"), the Sirozeh and the Afringans (blessings).
  • There are some 60 secondary religious texts, none of which are considered scripture. The most important of these are:
    • The Denkard (middle Persian, 'Acts of Religion'),
    • The Bundahishn, (middle Persian, 'Primordial Creation')
    • The Menog-i Khrad, (middle Persian, 'Spirit of Wisdom')
    • The Arda Viraf Namak (middle Persian, 'The Book of Arda Viraf')
    • The Sad-dar (modern Persian, 'Hundred Doors', or 'Hundred Chapters')
    • The Rivayats, 15th-18th century correspondence on religious issues
  • For general use by the laity:
    • The Zend (lit. commentaries), various commentaries on and translations of the Avesta.
    • The Khordeh Avesta, Zoroastrian prayer book for lay people from the Avesta.
These books are all false, just like yours. Your book isn't any more special. You were just born from parents who believe in the bible. Why not believe any of the other books above? The all have no evidence.
 

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Again, I feel the need to remind you that it's alright to have different opinions.
This debate isn't going anywhere, there is no way to prove or disprove the existence of god, you have to either believe it, or not believe it. I suggest that you stop arguing, as neither side can be proven.
 

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Again, I feel the need to remind you that it's alright to have different opinions.
This debate isn't going anywhere, there is no way to prove or disprove the existence of god, you have to either believe it, or not believe it. I suggest that you stop arguing, as neither side can be proven.
I agree arguing isn't the best. Im not here to disprove God, I'm here to see if others can prove God. Why believe in a God if you can't prove it. Hopefully this could be a learning ground for both sides. If someone looks at the evidence they may change sides.
 
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