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The God Debate v3

MrExtrodinaryMr

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I get what your saying.
I'll go out on a limb here, and say you probably were raised believing that God does not exist.
Which in terms, lets say you rule God out.
You raise a family of your own.
You teach them to follow your ways as well.
Then, you die(we all do), and you are both pleased, but also not pleased to find out God does exist.
So your basically stuck knowing
Your family will continue life the wrong way.
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Apologies
That sounded harsh xD
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Also, the Bible was written at hand of those who followed Jesus.
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However, If you believe that there was during that time period, a man named Jesus.
How would you guess someone randomly selected him as a person to write about in a book (if the Bible is false)
Also, how does one write about these things in such detail?
Also, People back then had a lot to do.
They had to get food, and water, and resources etc.
I don't think they could have had spare time to write an entire religious book(if they had to make it up), make everyone believe it, and then have it passed down through millions of generations, having us here centuries later, still believe it
Why are you assuming that when you die the god that you are going to be faced with is the christian god. You're making it sound like as if there are either Christians or atheists, when it's completely false. What if when you die you'll be met with the Hindu gods, or Zeus or even Thor, and you'd be suffering knowing that you believed in the wrong god your whole life?

And even if there was only a christian god, there are so many different interpretations of Christianity that your chances of believing in the "right" one are less than 1%, so what you said there is false.
 

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I get what your saying.
I'll go out on a limb here, and say you probably were raised believing that God does not exist.
Which in terms, lets say you rule God out.
You raise a family of your own.
You teach them to follow your ways as well.
Then, you die(we all do), and you are both pleased, but also not pleased to find out God does exist.
So your basically stuck knowing
Your family will continue life the wrong way.
--
Apologies
That sounded harsh xD
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Also, the Bible was written at hand of those who followed Jesus.
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However, If you believe that there was during that time period, a man named Jesus.
How would you guess someone randomly selected him as a person to write about in a book (if the Bible is false)
Also, how does one write about these things in such detail?
Also, People back then had a lot to do.
They had to get food, and water, and resources etc.
I don't think they could have had spare time to write an entire religious book(if they had to make it up), make everyone believe it, and then have it passed down through millions of generations, having us here centuries later, still believe it
If your bible is all true, why is "god" unfair to those who believe in other religions? Surely a long time ago, where there was no communication across the world, there was no way to know what Christianity was. The religion of Islam states you also go to hell if you believe in anything else. How can you be so sure that your religion is the right one? Is it because you were taught it since early youth?
I get what your saying.
I'll go out on a limb here, and say you probably were raised believing that God does not exist.
You are most likely being hypocritical here (I can't know for sure but after everything you typed it sure seems like it)
 

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Well personally I am an agnostic. Even though I do attend a Catholic school and attend religion classed I just don't believe in it and I find it hard to believe in something you can't see or feel. I'm not on the sharpest with religion so I may be atheist or agnostic or just get them mixed up a lot of the time.

One thing I will say is, how many wars, arguments, fights have started just because of people's belief. I see a lot of people that just refuse to believe anything other than there religion and just completely close down their minds. Now I don't have an issue with people sticking to their belief, however you are never going to learn if you keep your mind closed. I don't think its religion causing all these wars its the people that are stubborn and refuse to open their mind that cause them.

Anyhoo that was a bit of a mess, hope I got my point across :p
 

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Exactly
Bases Physics states that for every action, there is an opposite reaction.
So if the reaction is the big bang, and creation of everything pretty much.
Then, I am pretty sure God is the only possible answer to have caused it.
thats newtons laws fam ;D
 

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(Repost from the previous debate thread, I got it locked as I didn't notice it was old)
I was answering bobboy's(I think that's who it is) post stating that the Big Bang disproves God's existence.
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Actually false.
Big Bang proves nothing at all against God.
What I was taught in Science back in 8th Grade about the Big Bang, is that all of a sudden a HUGE explosion happened, which created everything. Time, Gravity, the Universe etc.
This HUGE explosion, is obviously a HUGE flash of light, in which is what is described as the creation of the Universe in the Bible.

Things state originally the Universe was a Cloud of dust
However if the Big Bang created everything, then this cloud literally could not have existed, unless of course it is Heaven.

Regardless, If nothing existed, then the only possible explanation for the Big Bang, and creation of our Universe, would be a God who has always existed, and was never created, and will never been destroyed.

Pretty simple.
And those who state Christians, or those who believe in a God, ignore what Atheists say.
Is partial true, however we don't block what you say.
I personally still consider it, however it doesn't sway my mind.
However I am pretty sure Ceroria (an example for now) didn't get mad at anyone for not getting his point, or call anyone stupid, which most Atheists typically call Christians stupid.

Also, Regarding was Braden stated earlier:
Obviously, God is stated to have always existed, so if he has always existed, he has never not existed.

Also, It's stated in the Bible, God wants Free-Will.
Mainly why we are having this discussion currently. God wants people to have the CHOICE to believe in him, as if he spent all this time creating a Universe with people, plants, and animals etc. Just to force everyone into what he wants? How is that "Fun" in a sense.

Its like this:
If your spectating an MCSG Game.
You want action, and to watch something interesting. However if you can control the game, and force everyone to do certain things, how is the interesting and fun to watch?
Exactly
Bases Physics states that for every action, there is an opposite reaction.
So if the reaction is the big bang, and creation of everything pretty much.
Then, I am pretty sure God is the only possible answer to have caused it.
Not exactly.
Do you see people walking around with Godly powers?
Nope.

Thats because God isn't necessarily a Human Being.
I know you stated without bringing the Bible into this, however it states in the Bible that all men are created equal in God's Vision.

I will agree with you in one stance:
If there is indeed a God (in which I believe there is) then I will agree with everyone here, that NO ONE, on the earth today, and prove the existence of a God beyond a shadow of a doubt.
However, just because you cannot see something, doesn't mean it isn't real.

Honestly, No one here, will know if there truly, is a God, and be able to prove it to everyone on Earth, until you die.

If you die, and BOOM; thats it.
Well
No one will ever know.

However, if you are wrong, and God exists...then you will be standing at the Gates on Heaven thinking "Oops..."

If you are not willing to believe in the existence of a God, then why are you here? Everything you do here is 100% pointless. Having family is 100% pointless. This conversation is 100% pointless.
Because when you die, its all gone
You are all gone.
Is that really what you believe in?
Is that really what you *want* to believe in?

God offers eternal life.
You die, and go to Heaven, and spend forever with him.
You get to watch your kids' kid's grow up.
You get to see the world evolve.

Now
Consider everything here.

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Now, Lets say there is no God.
I just wasted about 5-10 minutes of my already pretty pointless life(since its all for nothing) typing this huge message.
Congrats to me!
I get what your saying.
I'll go out on a limb here, and say you probably were raised believing that God does not exist.
Which in terms, lets say you rule God out.
You raise a family of your own.
You teach them to follow your ways as well.
Then, you die(we all do), and you are both pleased, but also not pleased to find out God does exist.
So your basically stuck knowing
Your family will continue life the wrong way.
--
Apologies
That sounded harsh xD
--

Also, the Bible was written at hand of those who followed Jesus.
--
However, If you believe that there was during that time period, a man named Jesus.
How would you guess someone randomly selected him as a person to write about in a book (if the Bible is false)
Also, how does one write about these things in such detail?
Also, People back then had a lot to do.
They had to get food, and water, and resources etc.
I don't think they could have had spare time to write an entire religious book(if they had to make it up), make everyone believe it, and then have it passed down through millions of generations, having us here centuries later, still believe it
Rebuttal.

Actually false.
Big Bang proves nothing at all against God.

Correct. But it does not imply the existence of a God.

What I was taught in Science back in 8th Grade about the Big Bang, is that all of a sudden a HUGE explosion happened, which created everything. Time, Gravity, the Universe etc.
It was not an explosion, but rather the rapid expansion of space and time out of a primordial quantum soup, singularity, or collision of D-Branes. There are a myriad of hypotheses all trying to explain this. Not one of them can hit the experimental level yet though because they're not fully flushed out.

This HUGE explosion, is obviously a HUGE flash of light, in which is what is described as the creation of the Universe in the Bible.
This is likely a coincidence. Many creation stories from around the world start with everything coming from light (including the Enuma Elish, the precursor to the Genesis 1 narrative). The Big Bang does in fact say that photons (particles of light) were the primordial particles that were generated. These then turned into protons, neutrons, electrons, their antimatter counterparts and a slew of other fundamental building blocks of nature. Furthermore, Genesis gets such trivialities as the order of creation wrong, thus; it should NOT be trusted as a reliable source for generating knowledge of the world.

Things state originally the Universe was a Cloud of dust
Things? What things? This is not scientifically supported.

However if the Big Bang created everything, then this cloud literally could not have existed, unless of course it is Heaven.
How does this follow?
http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/index.php/logical-fallacies/137-non-sequitur

Regardless, If nothing existed, then the only possible explanation for the Big Bang, and creation of our Universe, would be a God who has always existed, and was never created, and will never been destroyed.
Incorrect. You are paraphrasing the Kalam Cosmological Argument which has several fallacies. First of all, the premises imply that "something" created the universe. There is absolutely no way to tell what that "something" is. There would be no way to tell between a universe that was created by a highly advanced alien species or a God. Secondly, the argument intentionally conflates creatio ex nihilo with creatio ex materia. Creatio ex nihilo does not require a cause necessarily, because there would not be anything in existence to cause it. We also have scientifically verified events that ARE creatio ex nihilo and happen to have no particular cause. There are also a few other fallacies in relation to this argument but those were the main ones. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_particle

And those who state Christians, or those who believe in a God, ignore what Atheists say.
Is partial true, however we don't block what you say.
I personally still consider it, however it doesn't sway my mind.

Why? Why is this needed? You're asking people to be close minded.

Also, It's stated in the Bible, God wants Free-Will.
Sorry pal, but Free Will does not exist in any Objective sense of the word (unless you're willing to redefine it into a coherent concept). Here is an example of an interesting thought experiment to illustrate my point. Imagine you have two identical people, one with free will and one without. Now please tell me how you would tell the difference between these two entities? What measurement would you make that would let you tell the difference? If there is no difference or if you can't figure out of it exists, then there is no free will.
See (for a better explanation): http://casualentropy.blogspot.com/2015/06/what-hell-is-free-will.html

Mainly why we are having this discussion currently. God wants people to have the CHOICE to believe in him, as if he spent all this time creating a Universe with people, plants, and animals etc. Just to force everyone into what he wants? How is that "Fun" in a sense.
The God you are describing appears to be the ultimate asshole. I'm sorry but your entire religion is based on a false dichotomy, the assumption that you either choose God or reject him. If people can question (with good reason) if the choice even exists, the choice has simply not been presented to them. God should have clearly presented a choice by demonstrating his existence, but he didn't. This would also NOT violate free will, because the choice still exists, you can still either choose God or "reject" him.

You want action, and to watch something interesting. However if you can control the game, and force everyone to do certain things, how is the interesting and fun to watch?
Once again see my above post. God demonstrating his existence would not violate free will.

Bases Physics states that for every action, there is an opposite reaction.
So if the reaction is the big bang, and creation of everything pretty much.
Then, I am pretty sure God is the only possible answer to have caused it.

Already refuted. See above.

Thats because God isn't necessarily a Human Being.
In Christian theology, Jesus is a human being AND God. Therefore God does have a human form. You're refuting your own bible now.

I know you stated without bringing the Bible into this, however it states in the Bible that all men are created equal in God's Vision.
It's also misogynistic, justifies slavery, and the killing of innocent civilians. Therefore, the bible does not state that all men are created equal.

However, just because you cannot see something, doesn't mean it isn't real.
This is true, but is not justification for a positive existential case.

Honestly, No one here, will know if there truly, is a God, and be able to prove it to everyone on Earth, until you die.
Why would this be? Why would God subject his people to this type of misinformation? Is he evil? Does he want people to go to hell? How does this make any sense at all? Why does God not just demonstrate his existence to everyone? As I discussed above, this does not violate free will.

However, if you are wrong, and God exists...then you will be standing at the Gates on Heaven thinking "Oops..."
Pascal's Wager is based on a false dichotomy. I will go into more detail if you'd like but for now I'm going to be moving on to your next point.

If you are not willing to believe in the existence of a God, then why are you here? Everything you do here is 100% pointless. Having family is 100% pointless. This conversation is 100% pointless.
Argument from consequences. It doesn't matter if you don't like it. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it false.
See: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Appeal_to_consequences

Also, the Bible was written at hand of those who followed Jesus.
No. It was not written at hand of the people who followed Jesus. At best the Gospel accounts were written by anonymous people using second or third hand sources and were written decades after the fact. On top of that, they were also translated through multiple language barriers. Most modern scholars also believe that Mark was written first and the other Gospels were simply copying and improving what he had to say with their own theologies. So no, you're wrong; nothing in the New Testament was actually written by someone who was an eye witness to Jesus of Nazareth. I can site several extremely mainstream sources to back this up.
See: http://casualentropy.blogspot.com/2014/09/part-8-historical-jesus.html

However, If you believe that there was during that time period, a man named Jesus.
How would you guess someone randomly selected him as a person to write about in a book (if the Bible is false)

This happens quite frequently in ancient history. For example The Odyssey is quite similar as it probably took a known story and incorporated mythic elements. Anyway, I'm not going to go into detail of why we believe that the Gospels are almost entirely myth. If you want to see that, read Richard Carrier or Bart Ehrman.

Also, how does one write about these things in such detail?
How did someone write Harry Potter in such detail?

I don't think they could have had spare time to write an entire religious book(if they had to make it up), make everyone believe it, and then have it passed down through millions of generations, having us here centuries later, still believe it
This doesn't make sense. Are you now conceding that the Qu'ran is divinely inspired too? As it was a text that was written down, people made everyone believe it, and then it was passed down through the generations. This is also a text that directly contradicts your bible many key details. So which one is true?

TLDR - Horrific apologetics.
 
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Rebuttal.

Actually false.
Big Bang proves nothing at all against God.

Correct. But it does not imply the existence of a God.

What I was taught in Science back in 8th Grade about the Big Bang, is that all of a sudden a HUGE explosion happened, which created everything. Time, Gravity, the Universe etc.
It was not an explosion, but rather the rapid expansion of space and time out of a primordial quantum soup, singularity, or collision of D-Branes. There are a myriad of hypotheses all trying to explain this. Not one of them can hit the experimental level yet though because they're not fully flushed out.

This HUGE explosion, is obviously a HUGE flash of light, in which is what is described as the creation of the Universe in the Bible.
This is likely a coincidence. Many creation stories from around the world start with everything coming from light (including the Enuma Elish, the precursor to the Genesis 1 narrative). The Big Bang does in fact say that photons (particles of light) were the primordial particles that were generated. These then turned into protons, neutrons, electrons, their antimatter counterparts and a slew of other fundamental building blocks of nature. Furthermore, Genesis gets such trivialities as the order of creation wrong, thus; it should NOT be trusted as a reliable source for generating knowledge of the world.

Things state originally the Universe was a Cloud of dust
Things? What things? This is not scientifically supported.

However if the Big Bang created everything, then this cloud literally could not have existed, unless of course it is Heaven.
How does this follow?
http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/index.php/logical-fallacies/137-non-sequitur

Regardless, If nothing existed, then the only possible explanation for the Big Bang, and creation of our Universe, would be a God who has always existed, and was never created, and will never been destroyed.
Incorrect. You are paraphrasing the Kalam Cosmological Argument which has several fallacies. First of all, the premises imply that "something" created the universe. There is absolutely no way to tell what that "something" is. There would be no way to tell between a universe that was created by a highly advanced alien species or a God. Secondly, the argument intentionally conflates creatio ex nihilo with creatio ex materia. Creatio ex nihilo does not require a cause necessarily, because there would not be anything in existence to cause it. We also have scientifically verified events that ARE creatio ex nihilo and happen to have no particular cause. There are also a few other fallacies in relation to this argument but those were the main ones. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_particle

And those who state Christians, or those who believe in a God, ignore what Atheists say.
Is partial true, however we don't block what you say.
I personally still consider it, however it doesn't sway my mind.

Why? Why is this needed? You're asking people to be close minded.

Also, It's stated in the Bible, God wants Free-Will.
Sorry pal, but Free Will does not exist in any Objective sense of the word (unless you're willing to redefine it into a coherent concept). Here is an example of an interesting thought experiment to illustrate my point. Imagine you have two identical people, one with free will and one without. Now please tell me how you would tell the difference between these two entities? What measurement would you make that would let you tell the difference? If there is no difference or if you can't figure out of it exists, then there is no free will.
See (for a better explanation): http://casualentropy.blogspot.com/2015/06/what-hell-is-free-will.html

Mainly why we are having this discussion currently. God wants people to have the CHOICE to believe in him, as if he spent all this time creating a Universe with people, plants, and animals etc. Just to force everyone into what he wants? How is that "Fun" in a sense.
The God you are describing appears to be the ultimate asshole. I'm sorry but your entire religion is based on a false dichotomy, the assumption that you either choose God or reject him. If people can question (with good reason) if the choice even exists, the choice has simply not been presented to them. God should have clearly presented a choice by demonstrating his existence, but he didn't. This would also NOT violate free will, because the choice still exists, you can still either choose God or "reject" him.

You want action, and to watch something interesting. However if you can control the game, and force everyone to do certain things, how is the interesting and fun to watch?
Once again see my above post. God demonstrating his existence would not violate free will.

Bases Physics states that for every action, there is an opposite reaction.
So if the reaction is the big bang, and creation of everything pretty much.
Then, I am pretty sure God is the only possible answer to have caused it.

Already refuted. See above.

Thats because God isn't necessarily a Human Being.
In Christian theology, Jesus is a human being AND God. Therefore God does have a human form. You're refuting your own bible now.

I know you stated without bringing the Bible into this, however it states in the Bible that all men are created equal in God's Vision.
It's also misogynistic, justifies slavery, and the killing of innocent civilians. Therefore, the bible does not state that all men are created equal.

However, just because you cannot see something, doesn't mean it isn't real.
This is true, but is not justification for a positive existential case.

Honestly, No one here, will know if there truly, is a God, and be able to prove it to everyone on Earth, until you die.
Why would this be? Why would God subject his people to this type of misinformation? Is he evil? Does he want people to go to hell? How does this make any sense at all? Why does God not just demonstrate his existence to everyone? As I discussed above, this does not violate free will.

However, if you are wrong, and God exists...then you will be standing at the Gates on Heaven thinking "Oops..."
Pascal's Wager is based on a false dichotomy. I will go into more detail if you'd like but for now I'm going to be moving on to your next point.

If you are not willing to believe in the existence of a God, then why are you here? Everything you do here is 100% pointless. Having family is 100% pointless. This conversation is 100% pointless.
Argument from consequences. It doesn't matter if you don't like it. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it false.
See: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Appeal_to_consequences

Also, the Bible was written at hand of those who followed Jesus.
No. It was not written at hand of the people who followed Jesus. At best the Gospel accounts are anonymous, written decades after the fact, translated through multiple languages barriers, and used second or third hand sources, . Most modern scholars also believe that Mark was written first and the other Gospels were simply copying and improving what he had to say with their own theologies. So no, you're wrong; nothing in the New Testament was actually written by someone who was an eye witness to Jesus of Nazareth. I can site several extremely mainstream sources to back this up.
See: http://casualentropy.blogspot.com/2014/09/part-8-historical-jesus.html

However, If you believe that there was during that time period, a man named Jesus.
How would you guess someone randomly selected him as a person to write about in a book (if the Bible is false)

This happens quite frequently in ancient history. For example The Odyssey is quite similar as it probably took a known story and incorporated mythic elements. Anyway, I'm not going to go into detail of why we believe that the Gospels are almost entirely myth. If you want to see that, read Richard Carrier or Bart Ehrman.

Also, how does one write about these things in such detail?
How did someone write Harry Potter in such detail?

I don't think they could have had spare time to write an entire religious book(if they had to make it up), make everyone believe it, and then have it passed down through millions of generations, having us here centuries later, still believe it
This doesn't make sense. Are you now conceding that the Qu'ran is divinely inspired too? As it was a text that was written down, people made everyone believe it, and it was passed down through the generations. This is a text that directly contradicts your bible many key details.

TLDR - Horrific apologetics.
inspector tenebrous at it again with his essay
 

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The Universe is everything material.
How would something come from nothing?
How does the Universe create itself if there is not any material created?

The only answer would be the Super Natural.
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Also, the oh so popular question "Why does God allow Evil"
Its a very simple answer I have already stated, which is
Free Will.

God deals with evil in this world on a temporary basis.
His intentions are to have evil, and allow Christians the ability, and the choice(free will) to either believe or not not believe.
And those who surpass the evil will one day join him in Heaven, and live with him forever with their free will still in tact.
---
In “The Grand Inquisitor” section of Dostoevsky's The Brothers Karamazov, it is stated
"If God does not exist, then everything is permissible."
Because, if there is no God, then after death nothing happens, you have no judgement, everything is over.
Without God it appears as if there are no morals, as your actions really don't even matter.
You will be judged by people on Earth as long as you live, however once you die it doesn't matter anymore. You're dead body wouldn't know the difference.

With God, there is a fine line of morals, and it leads directly back to God.
If I have an Atheist Teacher, and I cheat on a Test, the teacher will begin lecturing me on how cheating is wrong, however they believe that once you die, that's it, so what right does this teacher have to be lecturing me on this?
The teacher will begin sounding like a Christian, stating Cheating is bad.
Christians believe Cheating, Lying, Stealing is all wrong.
And obviously that belief leads back to God.
Without a God to "punish" you for doing wrong, there is no point in doing right, as I stated previously an Atheist believes that after death that's it.
So why deny the existence of God, when not only Science, but basic English proves the existence of God?
 

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The Universe is everything material.
How would something come from nothing?
How does the Universe create itself if there is not any material created?

The only answer would be the Super Natural.
---
Also, the oh so popular question "Why does God allow Evil"
Its a very simple answer I have already stated, which is
Free Will.

God deals with evil in this world on a temporary basis.
His intentions are to have evil, and allow Christians the ability, and the choice(free will) to either believe or not not believe.
And those who surpass the evil will one day join him in Heaven, and live with him forever with their free will still in tact.
---
In “The Grand Inquisitor” section of Dostoevsky's The Brothers Karamazov, it is stated
"If God does not exist, then everything is permissible."
Because, if there is no God, then after death nothing happens, you have no judgement, everything is over.
Without God it appears as if there are no morals, as your actions really don't even matter.
You will be judged by people on Earth as long as you live, however once you die it doesn't matter anymore. You're dead body wouldn't know the difference.

With God, there is a fine line of morals, and it leads directly back to God.
If I have an Atheist Teacher, and I cheat on a Test, the teacher will begin lecturing me on how cheating is wrong, however they believe that once you die, that's it, so what right does this teacher have to be lecturing me on this?
The teacher will begin sounding like a Christian, stating Cheating is bad.
Christians believe Cheating, Lying, Stealing is all wrong.
And obviously that belief leads back to God.
Without a God to "punish" you for doing wrong, there is no point in doing right, as I stated previously an Atheist believes that after death that's it.
So why deny the existence of God, when not only Science, but basic English proves the existence of God?
Rebuttal.

How would something come from nothing?

Already refuted. See above reply.

How does the Universe create itself if there is not any material created?
Already refuted. See above reply.

His intentions are to have evil, and allow Christians the ability, and the choice(free will) to either believe or not not believe.
Already refuted. See above reply.

And those who surpass the evil will one day join him in Heaven, and live with him forever with their free will still in tact.
---
In “The Grand Inquisitor” section of Dostoevsky's The Brothers Karamazov, it is stated
"If God does not exist, then everything is permissible."
Because, if there is no God, then after death nothing happens, you have no judgement, everything is over.
Without God it appears as if there are no morals, as your actions really don't even matter.
You will be judged by people on Earth as long as you live, however once you die it doesn't matter anymore. You're dead body wouldn't know the difference.

Argument from consequences. Already refuted. See above reply.

With God, there is a fine line of morals, and it leads directly back to God.
If I have an Atheist Teacher, and I cheat on a Test, the teacher will begin lecturing me on how cheating is wrong, however they believe that once you die, that's it, so what right does this teacher have to be lecturing me on this?
The teacher will begin sounding like a Christian, stating Cheating is bad.
Christians believe Cheating, Lying, Stealing is all wrong.
And obviously that belief leads back to God.
Without a God to "punish" you for doing wrong, there is no point in doing right, as I stated previously an Atheist believes that after death that's it.
So why deny the existence of God, when not only Science, but basic English proves the existence of God?

Your arguments are just rehashes of what apologists have been saying for centuries and they have been refuted on multiple levels many many times.
I'm lazy so I'm just going to link you a video that refutes your point.



 

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